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 Posted - 21/07/2009 : 12:48:58
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| why is no one mentioning the incredible amount of sightings at the moment.everyone is seeing the same things at the same time all over uk end probably world.on sat 18 july at 10pm i saw a ball of light deep red ,very bright ,quite low in the sky ,over the house ,moving silently in a straight line,not too fast.no flashing .looked like a huge star at first but very close.i was amazed to see how many others saw ,and have been seeing,exactly the same things alll the time .why no mention on edge |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 18:38:12
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Hello all EMTV UFO interested parties.
Man o' man reading your last post about recent UFO sightings it's prompted me into extreme textual action! Because last night on 19 September 2009 at approx 9 pm I had my first actual real UFO sighting!
I was in the kitchen eating my later than usual evening meal, when my partner excitingly shouted to me to quickly come outside.
What was pointed out in the sky was something I have never ever seen or experienced before ! So unusual was it I only wish I'd have had my camera handy to use as lasting evidence .
As it turned out it was fortunate I didn't go and fetch the camera from upstairs, because by that time I had done and had it ready to go, the object would have disappeared . Because the sighting in total for my partner lasted about 3 minutes and for me something approaching 2.5 minutes.
Well I can hear you asking what the hell did you see in the night sky. Well first off importantly to mention there was cloud cover and no other planets, stars or aircraft in that part of the sky which we viewed the object in under the cloud cover.
What I initially observed was located in the Western sky approx 15 degrees above the horizon. It was a fairly intense, shimmering orange glowing light . At first I thought it might have been Venus, but I quickly ruled that out because I've never seen any planet that large and coloured orange. Anyway after a few seconds of observing it, the light changed in intensity and became larger, it then dimmed back down smaller again and in the still cloudy sky started to slowly move in a South eastwards direction. Which meant that it was kind of coming in our general direction. About 20 seconds into it moving it stopped for possibly half a minute or so, then it started to move again towards the South-east until we lost sight of it when it went behind the Church.
I don't know exactly what the height of the cloud level was, but if I had to guess I would say in the region of about a mile. If that estimation is roughly correct, the object would have moved many miles, again guessing, I would say anything between one and 4 miles when I was viewing it .
At no point was there any noise heard.
It's difficult to say how far away this light was. If I had to guess I would maybe say just a few miles, perhaps just one or two. If it was closer than that, I would say that the object wasn't too large .
However to complicate matters even more. My partner said that it had separate orange lights with a dark space and further orange lights at the other end of the object!
However from my sighting of whatever it was , bearing in mind my eyesight hadn't as much time to adjust as partners eyesight had , my eyesight was indicating the object as one slightly shimmering varying in intensity somewhat undefined 'ball' of glowing orange light. If only I'd have had my binoculars downstairs with me, bugger ........
Anyway at no point was there any flashing navigation aircraft lights observed.
As already pointed out there was no sound heard from the object in this very quiet country area. Incidentally it's worth noting that extremely rarely do I fail to hear the high numbers of jet aircraft which slowly cruise on their way into Manchester airport and they I would say are typically a significant greater distance away and higher than the object of which I'm writing about.
It should be noted too that my partner has been really quite dismissive of ufology in general! Suffice it to say now with this wake up call , not surprisingly a far more open mind exists as to what might be out there .....
With my previous for many many years interest in the Ufology field, in the past whenever friends, work colleagues and acquaintances have mentioned that they've seen unusual lights in the sky, I haven't really taken what they said too seriously.
This is because viewing lights in the sky is quite a precarious business to the untrained eye. That doesn't mean I'm claiming my eye's are trained per se . However in the past I've been well used to viewing for instance the I I S (international space station) using STS software to assist. I've also seen an out of control spinning Russian supply craft Soyuz bombing its way across the night sky too, not to mention of course the Halle bop comet etc !
However back to the UFO incident , BTW for the out of touch uninitiated UFO folk the term UFO is an abbreviation merely for a "unidentified flying object". I can definitely state that that son of a gun last night was definitely in that category and I have to say I'm now radically reviewing my previous questioning on the viewing of unidentified light or lights in the sky!
So in concluding I just wonder if anyone else has seen anything similar to the above report? In particular for me last nights of 19th of September first time baffling viewing.
BTW, I live in a very small very quiet village in the northern central part of the Peak District countryside not too far from 'Stonehenge of the North' which I would estimate is where the light on my initial sighting was hovering over !
And yes with that Stonehenge clue, for the already UFO initiated this region you will already know is rumoured to be a UFO hot spot!
Now with 21st Sentry's first real sighting in the "hot spot" region, it just has to be a true hot spot , right ...
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ascap29
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 22:45:02
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Bloody hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mentioned a similar scenario on this forum somewhere previously
Orange ball (looked the same size as the sun and the same hue when you can view it late on a Summer's evening)located very low on the horizon in the Manchester area
Only difference is that my sighting happened at dawn - a time when it is impossible to see the sun in the west in this country as it would be rising in the east
Rick.
Lieutenant Worf: If winning is not important, then, Commander - why keep score?
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/09/2009 : 18:28:08
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21stSentry
That is an interesting sighting.
Having checked some ephemera I can confirm that it could not have been one of the brighter planets being distorted through the cloud cover.
It is interesting that you live in the peaks,and it may have been or perhaps you can ascertain,whether there was any fault-line murmuring asociated with that night.
"Earth lights" are phenomena associated with geological events such as fault line movements and earth tremors.Worth checking.
Another possibility is an aircraft after-burners at low level distorted by diffractiion through the cloud cover,you say the object was low down and the cloud was in your estimation also low.
That cannot be ruled out,particularly as you allege independent directional change.
Another is an aircraft mid-air refuelling,this can produce the type of effects you saw.also planes on approach to Manchester exhibit often the brightening and dimming effects you witnessed.
The lack of noise may have been due to wind direction,if it were away from you you probably would not have heard it because of that.
Obviously if close to an airport,in this case Manchester,the likelihood would be high that it was an aircraft.
However,it is at the moment a UFO as it has not been positively identified.
I expect you will pay more attention in future to the possibility of seeing it or something similar again,and if you could have a camera ready and primed for the eventuality,then that would be better.
If you can collate your sighting with any others reported that night,it would help too.
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/09/2009 : 21:09:34
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Hello Doc, Thanks for your well received input.
Taking your points more or less one by one.
Definitely Planets, for your reasons stated, not possible.
Fault line murmurings associated with Earth lights, hmmmm are an interesting phenomena.
With my interest over the years in ufology I have been aware of this claimed phenomena for a long time, which have been used by some to attempt to explain away some of the UFO reports.
I haven't as yet completely ruled that possibility out. However I stand to be corrected, but to the best of my current knowledge on that phenomenon there is little , if any provable evidence of this phenomenon known as 'earth lights' . However I do keep an open mind on the theory and I'll bear that possibility in mind when making further inquiries .
Aircraft with or without after-burners, thanks for raising the idea , but believe me absolutely impossible. That one is definitely ruled out, leaving aside the enormous noise level which would have been definitely heard at that distance , aircraft with or without after burners definitely don't hover stationary for approx 30 seconds in the air.
Refuelling aircraft nope. Leaving aside the hovering, the object was going away from the direction of Manchester airport.
Actually I've seen over the years vast amounts of all types of aircraft in this area of the Peak District. Occasionally RAF use this area for training purposes too and I don't think even the RAF would contemplate refuelling at the low levels which this 'thing' was !
Wind direction, definitely a good point and one worth bearing in mind .
With years of listening to the different types of aircraft in the sky, you are bang on , wind direction does make one huge difference to the sound levels. However on Saturday night very very minimal wind was evident at this 750 ft ASL which we are at . Obviously hundreds of feet higher in altitude wind speed can significantly increase . But given the very minimal wind speed at my ASL , it's extremely unlikely the wind would have been sufficient enough , at the low altitude which the observed 'object' was to have stopped all noise from reaching us.
Being about 25 miles from Manchester Ringway airport , over the years I've seen all sorts of various traffic and I can totally rule out the possibility that it was a jet airliner or any other type of 'normal' aircraft was responsible for what we saw.
The only other remote alternative possibility I can come up at this juncture , and it is a remote possibility, is that of a helicopter !
However helicopters as we all know are extremely noisy, but say even if the wind was blowing sufficiently highly to stop the noise reaching us. What could possibly explain the varying intensity of the unusual orange coloured light, along with the lack of any other lights (flashing or otherwise), whether they be navigational or any other kind , that alone makes the helicopter theory Extremely unlikely ?
However , helicopters can obviously hover in the sky , which this definitely achieved on two occasions in two completely different places . And of course helicopters are used by the Water board , Electric board as well as the Police and Military to search at night using floodlights looking for 'problems' on terra firma. So that fits .
But what doesn't in any way fit are the observed 'orange' light intensities which varied so much . And with whatever we saw being at such a low altitude that kind of shimming distortion varying light intensities are impossible to fathom as to how and why they could or would be emitted from a helicopter.
Incidentally, such things as Chinese lanterns and other possible type of hoaxed event can be ruled out because of the distance and speed of the ' object '.
Anyways I will be looking further into this and of course keeping an eye and the local press.
I'll certainly be keeping more of eye on the sky as well in this here 'hot spot' region of planet Earth . And I'll be also keeping my tools of the trade (camera and binocs) handier to quickly grab too ...
Thanks for your interest, if I am able to bottom it, or even nearly bottom it , you'll be the first to hear about it!
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ascap29
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Posted - 21/09/2009 : 22:37:46
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This is a great topic discussion, cheers guys.
21st Sentry I can't see if you mentioned the size of the UFO you saw?
At arms' length what object (coin?) would you have to hold in between your fingers to approximate the size of the UFO?
Cheers, Rick.
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 13:10:38
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21stSentry
Yes,I think you are accurately describing what you witnessed,and both your event and your demeanour are credible.
Just to elucidate,the motion of a brightly lit object,whether lit internally or reflected moving towards or away from you in a straight line would give similar effects to the brightness fluctuations you describe.
As an example if it were a plane using afterburners, even a helicopter, or just having a magnified light effect,and moving directly toward or away from you,then this would give the illusion of hovering.
On noise,I recall from my own expeerience as a child witnessing a mid-air explosion of an aircraft at a distance of some 15 miles.This occurred late sixties and was a troop carrier that crashed at Nuneham Courtney,Oxon.
We all saw the plane bank steeply and burst intio flames,what we did not hear however was a percussion,although we wre all braced for it!
At the nearby car works to the west of the housing complex they all reported an explosion.
It was a still calm sunny day.
The timing of 9pm is significant in that if we are to consider a reflected light phenomenon then that would be at around sunset when you saw your object.
The sun low in the sky or sub-horizon through even moderate cloud cover can produce interesting effects.
It remains however an intriguing event.
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 19:59:00
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Cheers ascap29, pleased you are finding it of interest.
Regarding size, I specifically haven't pontificated about it's size because it would very much guesswork.
However being it's you ascap that's asking... When I first viewed it , with my arm outstretched and holding a 50 pence piece between my thumb and forefinger, the 50 pence would probably fairly comfortably have covered it.
Very much speculating again, say the maximum distance when I first viewed it when it was at its lowest point to the horizon and seemed to be at its brightest, was say approximately 4 miles. Then that I guess would make it a fair old size ......... But I must stress this distance estimation thing is exactly that, estimation !
Doc, much obliged again for the helpful input on the light fluctuations and how an airborne light can appear to be stationary even when it's moving more or less directly towards or away from the observer. Yes quite so, therefore no dispute whatever with you on that one. Actually I can personally testify to that fact on many occasions. Because where I'm employed is within the general flight path of incoming aircraft into Manchester Ringway. And when at work looking into the night sky I often observe seemingly 'stationery' very large and very bright celestial bodies in the sky. But in fact all I'm seeing is an aircraft coming in to land with it's extremely bright White landing lights on .
Interestingly, invariably on such occasions, the aircrafts navigational high intensity flashing beacons will although with them being switched on, those red and green flashing lights aren't always possible to be seen or noticed until the aircraft is fairly close. This flashing beacon disappearance seems to a great extent depend on the aircrafts altitude and typically I would say they become evident at about a mile away.
Regarding the time of approximately 9pm, with the cloud cover over towards the West , it was pitch dark. The Sun had definitely well and truly set . However obviously if the object had been substantially high enough in the sky, yes it would have been possible to observe reflections from it. An example of this of course is the international space station.
But given the greatly varying intensity of the orange coloured light emitted and the fact that the object actually came in the general direction towards but to the left us and then stopped for approx 30 seconds, really does rule out an conventional jet airplane. Perhaps a rogue Harrier might have been responsible, but Saturday night testing a harrier like that over the quiet Derbyshire Peak District countryside, naaaaa no way Jose' ............!
Regarding the speed of the object, again I do hesitate to hazard a guess. However it didn't suddenly move from side to side of from one point in the sky to the other. Therefore its speed could seemingly equate to it possibly, just possibly have been a helicopter . But with all the other various anomalies which don't add up to it being a helicopter I'm to say the least very reluctant to speculate on the helicopter hypothesis.
I think one of the important keys to bear in mind is the complete lack of any flashing beacons of any colour. So far as I'm aware it's an absolute requirement prerequisite for aircraft, any aircraft in the night sky, to have illuminating high intensity flashing beacons. Nope not even one measly flash, nadir zero zilch ...!
But as mentioned in my earlier message, I am looking into this and have made inquiries etc in an attempt to make some 'conventional' sense of it !
As mentioned in my last post , I'll be glad to give any worthwhile news on this on the forum, assuming if and when any comes to 'light'.
toodle-oo.
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DoctorStrangeglow
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2009 : 22:53:04
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Much obliged doc, I must be slipping up, as I have to admit I wasn't aware of that particular seemingly closely related link. I will be however taking particular notice of what , if anything , is featured in this week's Mercury.
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
1905 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2009 : 15:15:01
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21stSentry
I will keep a weather-eye open for any more of these in your vicinity.
The link I posted was concerning sightings over a year ago.
Logically,if we apply the idea that if,just for a second,it were an alien craft,they would have to be pretty bored and unimaginative individuals with not a lot else to do other than hang around the peaks for 18 months!
If they possess warp-drive or are capable of inter-dimensional travel,it would appear to be not a very worthy enterprise with an entire universe or multi-verse to explore.
This leads me to make the bold assumption that it is not alien in origin,but more likely either some little understood natural phenomenon,or a very clever hoax,or just misidentification of something occurring frequently and manmade.
Not to say it isn't interesting,as it is,but due to the frequency of sightings over such a long period will probably turn out to be quite banale.
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 23:42:00
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Pleased to give this update on the Peak District UFO sighting myself and partner had.
Interestingly the link below pertains to a six days later sighting of seemingly an extremely similar 'visual' multi witness sighting, again occurring around 9pm !
http://www.matlockmercury.co.uk/news/UFO-spotted-in-Matlock.5700431.jp
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 10:35:20
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21stSentry
Hi,this is occurring quite frequently so would probably be best investigated by a local UFO group or any team of persons interested in resolving it.
Some good quality images and/or video are needed for sure,and some reasearch to map sightings and establish frequency.
Because of the regular nature of these sightings and over a long timeframe,rthere is every chance of solving it as extra- or just simply terrestrial.
I'm surprised a national UFO group aren't onto this,maybe you should send send an email?
There is quite a good history of these local incidents here....
http://www.matlockmercury.co.uk/googlesearch.aspx?Keywords=ufo
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 21:51:03
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DoctorStrangeglow thank you for the newspaper UFO related link which I wasn't previously aware of.
BTW I wonder if you've received the e-mail which I sent to you through this forum. If you haven't received it , it's about another topical Flying question ...
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/10/2009 : 09:57:10
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21stSentry
Hi,no I did not receive it,but having tested the intramail system on Edge by posting a test-mail to myself I conclude that it it is Kaputt!
I believe a few others have tried to use this facility with the same result.
Isn't technology wonderful,why do we vest so much trust in it anyway?That's an interesting psychological question.
Keep posting about the lights,the more info the better chance of solving it.
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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21st Sentry
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/10/2009 : 17:17:26
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Ok Doc all okay and welcome back to 'civilisation' ... < I think I'm supposed to put 'LMAO' at the side of that civilised comment , ha ....
Anyway yes, I agree seems the Forum e-mail system is as you mentioned kaput .
No worries though, it was only to do with a free 'flying rods' offer which at the time you appeared interested to know more about.
Regarding my UFO sighting.
On further consideration I've revised somewhat my writing off of the possibility that it might have been a Chinese lantern!
This is mainly because I've done a bit more research on the different types of Chinese lanterns available.
That's one reason, the other main one is one which I have pointed to in a previous posting.
Namely that a light or lights in the sky are often notorious in creating an optical illusion/s ...!
Toodle-oo Doc again welcome back and productive postings to you!
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