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Bryn ap Gwilym
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 Posted - 04/09/2009 : 00:00:42
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Originally posted by mrstixx
Usually after sleep paralysis i will get a sensation that i can only describe as the feeling of sparks or electric shocks firing across my brain! Anyone else get this?
I too have this several times a month, ever since I was about 15yrs. Just as I'm are drifting off. Sometimes I wake with a jolt and with panic. But I also try and bring the (brain storm) on, because once that has past, vivid dreaming can and does take place. Easier said than done.
When I was 15+, it used to happen when I was wide awake. But that is a different story.
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willie19
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 14:19:41
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| I watched someone being interviewed on channel 200 about 7 weeks ago i think his name was burt hesselman he spoke about something that happened to him which had happened to me about 15 years ago he described like an invisible fist squeezing his body during the night while asleep in his bed he could not move and could hardly breath he also mention about the tall shadowy figure.when i heard him speaking about this i could not believe what i was hearing as my experience really scared me at the time and i have often thought about it and wondered what accually happened,i honestly think something physical happened to me, at first i thought i had took some kind of fit whilst asleep .i thought i was going to die at the time, i thought my soul was going to pop out of my body.if you imagine a paper bag filled with air ,your body is the bag and your soul is the air and a hand squeezes the bag to the point of the bag bursting that was what it was like.while that was happening to me my thoughts were my soul was going to pop out of my body and i could not do any thing about it.i was really shaken after it happened,i told my now wife about this as i had just started dating her at the time ,and she told me about things that used to happen to her and described feeling her soul was going to pop out of her body .i have never had that experience since then but do get what i think are sleep paralysis episodes they are no where near like my soul popping out my body it is more like being pressed down on my bed i know it is happening to me and i try to wake myself up ,it can take a struggle to wake up.i dont know if anyone knows the man burt hesselman i may have got his name slightly wrong, if anyone does can the give any info on him i know he has written some books on his experiences that sound amazing,my experience was only alike his up to the invisible hand squeezing your body,what he says happened to him after that point is amazing.worth checking him out if you have had some of these experiences. |
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How_did_i_get_here
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 17:30:24
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Originally posted by DoctorStrangeglow
Sleep paralysis and the alien abduction thing.
Night terrors,the Old Hag,there are many common and arcane names for this,but it is as some of you are probably already aware a condition some small percentage of the population suffer from,and is a sleep condition.
And it is something I think I am well-qualified to discuss having had it since childhood,and been an avid follower of many documented.cases I have seen presented over a number of years in the hope of understanding the phenomenon.
Of course the modern take on it is alien abduction.Now I don’t disagree that genuine abduction is a possibility,and whilst I am prepared to entertain the notion,I do not believe for one millisecond the claims that some 3 million Americans alone have been abducted.
Although I sometimes wouldn’t mind it being true and the aliens could take the other 400 million and make it permanent!I digress…..
A small percentage may have been,but for the vast majority they are misinterpreting a known medical phenomenon,or with the aid of hypnotherapy having suggestions planted to fill the gaps they perceive in relating the experience.
Sleep paralysis fits all the criteria for a classic abduction story.
When I was a child I used to have vivid dreams and often I would sleepwalk,or fall out of bed.
Quite often I would find myself standing at the backdoor to the house with my mother telling me I was asleep and to go back to bed.,in the winter the cold of the brass door handle was usually the trigger that woke me up.
I knew what was happening although I couldn’t recall how I ended up in the kitchen!
One hot summer night however,it was somewhat different.I recalled having a few vivid dreams,and in the morning awoke as per usual.
I became aware very quickly that my feet were both stained green.On closer inspection there were actual lawn mowings in the bed.
Of course,what had occurred was that I had gone walkabout again,but the usual trigger to wake me didn’t,as it was too warm, and as my mother apparently hadn’t heard me leave my room I had nothing to prevent me from going into the back garden and presumably walked around for quite a while given the density of the staining on my feet.
The sleepwalking stopped as I entered adulthood except on a very few occasions only to be replaced by sleep paralysis.
It’s quite a terrifying experience for the first few times,but you somehow get used to it if you recognise what’s going on and don’t panic.
Basically you wake up although still in a semi-dream state,you become aware that you may not be alone in the room sometimes with the feeling of a pressure to the chest,and although your eyes are wide open and you can see and sense the environment your body is completely paralysed.
After a few minutes feelings return as the rest of you wakes up.Generally it makes you a little shook up but more relieved that you again can move limbs that were completely non-responsive during the attack.Quite scary to be that incapacitated and fear is the natural reaction deep in our survival mechanism,not good being totally physically helpless with predators about in say stone-age times.
While the episode is affecting you,you sometimes get the sensation of floating,which is not surprising as you are hardly aware you have any sensation in your body,which feels light.
Of course if I just related that story to someone without qualifying it,they may jump to the wrong conclusion that I had been abducted by aliens.The history of reports on this condition go way back with appropriate terrors based on the fears and superstitions of the times,quite uniquely so.
In the era of witchcraft medieval times,people would say there was an old woman causing the chest pressure by sitting on the ribcage (The Old Hag),others reported entities of a more sexual nature,the incubi and succubi.
These were mythical creatures that allegedly fed on the sexual energies of their victims for women and men respectively.Artwork by some of the old masters survives today and depicts just that.
Now is it any real surprise that those same demons are 4 foot grey aliens?Not to me.
Now I am not saying that 4 foot green/grey/purple(delete as applicable) aliens do not exist,nor do I close my mind to the possibility that such creatures exist somewhere or are sometimes dropping in,although I find it unlikely in the latter example.
What I am saying is that these particularly reported events may be in the majority of cases nothing more than what I have.A medically recognised sleep condition.
We are creatures who crave explanation when something is happening to us.If we cannot determine the logical,then we explore the bizarre.
Hypnotherapy I believe is not useful in exploring alien tales.The subject will merely play along,just as you see folks do on stage pretending to be hens laying eggs and things.They know what they are doing in most of these antics,and are so relaxed they play up to it.
It’s the same with people like Bud Hopkins,a hypno who investigates abduction cases.I think him to be a sincere guy but misguided as he has become too convinced of the veracity of his flawed research especially filling in the missing time…….it’s a short leap from there to having ovaries extracted and semen extracted or being forced to make love with triangular headed nymphomaniacs from zeta reticuli.
Funny they should want to harvest the genetic material from many of the subjects,middle-aged,bald,non-alpha examples rather than geniuses or models.
The only single case for me on which the jury is out is still the Travis Walton one,and the film “Fire In The Sky” disturbs me still like no other Hollywood production.
Nearly all the others ,even the Barney and Betty Hill ones and deffo Whitley Strieber’s fantasies don’t hold merit in my opinion.
Some of these poor folks think that being taken has become their purpose in life,and all because of a sleep disorder.
I think that with much of the alien abduction thing,other persons’ misinterpreted tales have been seized upon as evidence by some and the template has then been created.
Psychologist Susan Blackmore has researched the subject and her findings are of merit. .
Some interesting scientific research has been done into electromagnetism replicating some of the effects.Could it be related to electromagnetic pollution,maybe,but there wasn’t much of that around in the 14thCentury,although natural hotspots have always existed.
Some of the feelings of a presence can be induced by passing EM pulses across areas of the brain.
Anyone else have this?Or anything similar?Do tell.
Was I kidnapped by aliens,nah,they wouldn’t be so silly.
It has been depicted in paintings too as in the painting by Fuseli and other artists.
The problem with alien abduction is the hypnotherapists who can very subtly influence people.
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blank_page
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 20:42:26
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So weird the way this topics been started after I had an episode of what I found out was called "sleep paralysis" about a week ago.
I've had it a couple of times but, to my knowledge, it doesn't happen very often.
The last time, about a week ago, was very surreal. Recently I have been researching "occult symbology in the music industry" and making posts on that topic on here.
I woke up from a dream in which I was getting possessed by a demonic entity (I don't normally dream about things like this lol) and I conciously remember thinking "get out..get out of me now" (again strange I know). So I started swinging my arms and trying to fight away this 'thing'. I felt as if I was stuck in mud and trying to pull myself out. I felt really heavy and as I pulled my arms out of this imaginary mud it gripped me tighter (while this was going on, I'm sure by body wasn't actually moving). I did feel like I was still dreaming but I could think like I was concious. I remember moving my eyes, and I'm quite sure they were open but couldn't tell because my room was pitch black.
After a minute or so I felt myself regain control of my body. It was very strange and I felt freaked out. When I woke up the next day I googled it and found out what it was!...
I do believe it could be the cause of most alien abduction cases.. but more research would be needed. For example asking the questions about the people who say they have been abducted: What are your interests? hobbies? what films do you like? books do you read? to gauge what their imagination would be like.
But in my opinion not all abduction cases could be explained via sleep paralysis.
Good topic agent strange! (should I ask the doctor if this thread was set up to gauge how effective the new mind control systems are working throughout the country? haha) |
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Lauren
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 21:24:55
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I started experiencing sleep paralysis for the first time when I started working at EDGE and had several episodes of it through out my time there. I woke up one feeling certain something more sinister was at work, altho Im sure it was more my imagination at play during the hallucanations than an abduction but I can understand how some would confuse the two. I have only had one instance of it since leaving.
During the sleep paralysis I also experienced electric shivers which felt like blue electrical currents being pulsed through my body - does anyone else experience these?
Lauren
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silverman
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 21:50:24
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Originally posted by Lauren
I started experiencing sleep paralysis for the first time when I started working at EDGE and had several episodes of it through out my time there. I woke up one feeling certain something more sinister was at work, altho Im sure it was more my imagination at play during the hallucanations than an abduction but I can understand how some would confuse the two. I have only had one instance of it since leaving.
During the sleep paralysis I also experienced electric shivers which felt like blue electrical currents being pulsed through my body - does anyone else experience these?
Lauren
i thought it was normal for paralysis to occur when your asleep?.other wise we would all end up in a&e everynight.my lights are neon green..and all meet in the centre of a circle..felt like some kind of fuseing....i suppose we dont remember most of what goes on...generally pleasent..sometimes horrific death and suffocation.. ....
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Bryn ap Gwilym
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 23:16:39
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Originally posted by Lauren
During the sleep paralysis I also experienced electric shivers which felt like blue electrical currents being pulsed through my body - does anyone else experience these?
Lauren
I have the head storms (electric, motor car, crash bang wallop, lightning flashes) feeling all the time.
Sometimes I can bring it on so I can experience lucid dreaming.
That can be very spooky if your not used to it, as I found out the first time.
I did speak to a American specialist (sleep expert) about the dreams & feelings a couple of years ago. She promised me that what I and others were experiencing were nothing more than normal sleep/dream patterns, but under the same breathe she or her peers couldn't explain how different folk from the four corners of the planet & over the generations all witness the same type of experience/dream.
Hence, outside intervention could not be ruled out. Spooky. 
The OneNess perhaps?
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Angau’r euog ydyw’r gwir! - “The death of the guilty is truth.” |
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dangerpad
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 10:30:17
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During the sleep paralysis I also experienced electric shivers which felt like blue electrical currents being pulsed through my body - does anyone else experience these?
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Lauren,
About one year ago, I had an experience very similar to this. I went to be bed one night, and as usual I struggled to get to sleep. Before long though, I began to have a 'dream'. The dream consisted of me, standing just above the earth, with arms stretched out. The earth was glowing a brilliant blue, and electric currents were flwoing into my hands, feet, and top of my head. The feeling was incredibly intense, and I could almost literally feel my body 'buzzing' and being charged. It got stronger and stronger, and I soon became aware that I was in a dream, but that the feeling was becoming so strong that it was waking me up. I struggled to stay asleep, as I was really enjoying things, but it became so intense that it eventually woke me up.
I've allways been a heavy dreamer, but never anything like this. I've never been aware that I was in a dream, and I've never felt 'physical' affects before. It really was an incredible feeling.
I havn't told any of my friends about this, they'd think I was claiming to have had some kind of 'mystical' experiance. It was totally out of the ordinary for me, but I do think it was just a dream.
The very next day, I had a Philip Gardiner program on Sky, and I wasn't really watching it, but out of nowhere, he mentioned something about a state one can be in between being awake and asleep. It sounded very much like what I had experianced, but I missed what he said, and I've not looked into it since. I'd love to be able to experiance the same feeling again, as this is the one and only time this has happened.
The scene that I found myself in, me standing above the earth, arms outstretched, electricity pouring in, is a familiar one to most, I'm sure. I didn't put this down to any 'mystical' experiance, just a really intense dream using imagry that I'd picked up somewhere (think I've got a David Icke book with a similar scene on the cover).
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silverman
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 10:52:27
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Originally posted by dangerpad
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During the sleep paralysis I also experienced electric shivers which felt like blue electrical currents being pulsed through my body - does anyone else experience these?
Lauren,
About one year ago, I had an experience very similar to this. I went to be bed one night, and as usual I struggled to get to sleep. Before long though, I began to have a 'dream'. The dream consisted of me, standing just above the earth, with arms stretched out. The earth was glowing a brilliant blue, and electric currents were flwoing into my hands, feet, and top of my head. The feeling was incredibly intense, and I could almost literally feel my body 'buzzing' and being charged. It got stronger and stronger, and I soon became aware that I was in a dream, but that the feeling was becoming so strong that it was waking me up. I struggled to stay asleep, as I was really enjoying things, but it became so intense that it eventually woke me up.
I've allways been a heavy dreamer, but never anything like this. I've never been aware that I was in a dream, and I've never felt 'physical' affects before. It really was an incredible feeling.
I havn't told any of my friends about this, they'd think I was claiming to have had some kind of 'mystical' experiance. It was totally out of the ordinary for me, but I do think it was just a dream.
The very next day, I had a Philip Gardiner program on Sky, and I wasn't really watching it, but out of nowhere, he mentioned something about a state one can be in between being awake and asleep. It sounded very much like what I had experianced, but I missed what he said, and I've not looked into it since. I'd love to be able to experiance the same feeling again, as this is the one and only time this has happened.
The scene that I found myself in, me standing above the earth, arms outstretched, electricity pouring in, is a familiar one to most, I'm sure. I didn't put this down to any 'mystical' experiance, just a really intense dream using imagry that I'd picked up somewhere (think I've got a David Icke book with a similar scene on the cover).
[/quote]hello danger,,,i think it was called the "hynogogic state".ime not 100% sure,a kind of inbetweeness if thats a word.and he mentiond the pineal gland,which releases Dimethyltryptamine or N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT}.......this stuff is frownd upon,by the p.t.b..highly illegal....and weve all got it,in varying amounts..what can they do?......lock us all up?.....silverman
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dangerpad
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 12:06:10
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Silverman,
Yes! That was it. I knew it had to be 'Hypno' something!
Just looked up 'Hypnagogia' on Wiki and it does sound like what I experianced. There's plenty of reading to be done about it, including a section on 'Sleep Paralysis'. Ta! |
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 13:57:37
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Originally posted by dangerpad
Silverman,
Yes! That was it. I knew it had to be 'Hypno' something!
Just looked up 'Hypnagogia' on Wiki and it does sound like what I experianced. There's plenty of reading to be done about it, including a section on 'Sleep Paralysis'. Ta!
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silverman
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 15:41:25
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Originally posted by dangerpad
Silverman,
Yes! That was it. I knew it had to be 'Hypno' something!
Just looked up 'Hypnagogia' on Wiki and it does sound like what I experianced. There's plenty of reading to be done about it, including a section on 'Sleep Paralysis'. Ta!
hey danger and all.i dont trust wikki wikki!...others have said the same thing...
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dangerpad
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:34:18
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This must be why Wiki says that a 'Hypnopotamus' is a large mammal found in Africa, often asleep. Innit matey-pips.
Ok, I've made this up, but it might have said this, which is why I also don't rely on Wiki. It can be a good starting point though to get the basic idea, and then off elsewhere to check things out.
Maybe I can find out how to induce this 'electrifying' state again. Hope so, it was very nice! |
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:24:17
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Originally posted by dangerpad
This must be why Wiki says that a 'Hypnopotamus' is a large mammal found in Africa, often asleep. Innit matey-pips.
Ok, I've made this up, but it might have said this, which is why I also don't rely on Wiki. It can be a good starting point though to get the basic idea, and then off elsewhere to check things out.
Maybe I can find out how to induce this 'electrifying' state again. Hope so, it was very nice!
No... it does. "Hypno" is the word "sleep" in Greek... I'm Greek, innit!? It's the word me parents use when they refer to sleep...
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2792
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dangerpad
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:42:23
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Originally posted by Angryhead
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Originally posted by dangerpad
This must be why Wiki says that a 'Hypnopotamus' is a large mammal found in Africa, often asleep. Innit matey-pips.
Ok, I've made this up, but it might have said this, which is why I also don't rely on Wiki. It can be a good starting point though to get the basic idea, and then off elsewhere to check things out.
Maybe I can find out how to induce this 'electrifying' state again. Hope so, it was very nice!
No... it does. "Hypno" is the word "sleep" in Greek... I'm Greek, innit!? It's the word me parents use when they refer to sleep...
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2792
Angryhead. I KNOW!!! This is why I said - "I knew it had to be 'Hypno' something!"
My reference to a 'HYPNOpotamus' was a rather fantastic joke. You of all people should have picked up on this! Tut. It's probably lost it's edge now.
Go back to sleep!
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:56:51
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Originally posted by dangerpad
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Originally posted by Angryhead
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Originally posted by dangerpad
This must be why Wiki says that a 'Hypnopotamus' is a large mammal found in Africa, often asleep. Innit matey-pips.
Ok, I've made this up, but it might have said this, which is why I also don't rely on Wiki. It can be a good starting point though to get the basic idea, and then off elsewhere to check things out.
Maybe I can find out how to induce this 'electrifying' state again. Hope so, it was very nice!
No... it does. "Hypno" is the word "sleep" in Greek... I'm Greek, innit!? It's the word me parents use when they refer to sleep...
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2792
Angryhead. I KNOW!!! This is why I said - "I knew it had to be 'Hypno' something!"
My reference to a 'HYPNOpotamus' was a rather fantastic joke. You of all people should have picked up on this! Tut. It's probably lost it's edge now.
Go back to sleep!
ZZZzzzzzz..... "eh? What? Eh? Oh......"
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willie19
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Posted - 12/03/2010 : 02:04:33
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| hi blank page the last time i experienced these episodes was that i felt that a spirit was trying to take over my body or myself.i have never had the same experience before or since but it is still clear in my head . |
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Sleep Paralysis and the Alien Abduction Thing
