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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/10/2009 : 13:07:55
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Hi again,
We seem to be posting at the same times. Thank you for clearing up that you weren't being patronising. It does mostly seem to be the terminology that annoys you and I understand that too. I do not know what else to call it but spraying as it starts and stops and there is no other short easy word I can think that illustrates that happens.
The bunch of scientists the CFR hired must have been a bunch of nutbags then because they seem to find it possible. Whether this another piece of the carbon con and is based on reality I can't fully say and neither can you as none of us have the computer power or full know how of how it'd work out.
I have not concluded the passenger planes are spraying us with toxins, but to me it looks like they are spraying us with clouds.. As you can see from the documents it is an attractive proposition for the scientific community and the people who seek to alter the planet or they wouldn't be bothering to talk about it. I have to get off the pc for a few hours this afternoon as I'm using the screen downstairs in the living room which is also the TV.
Again thanks for the input and I will be back later to continue this convo, don't be dismayed for me I just can't make my mind up and dismiss this as easily without pondering for a bit longer, you're welcome to assist in that process shaping opinions and adding evidence to the discussion if you can put up with the frustration that I dont agree with you (might do in the future but so far the evidence isn't conclusive) 
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
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killingjoker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 13:12:06
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Hi, thanks for the link but that is pretty public knowledge and i just cant subscribe to this idea. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Nobody
Hi Killingjoker
They have done it before. 
Why not now? 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html
May the fleas of a thousand camels, invest the crotch of anyone who spoils your day, and may their arms be to short to scratch
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killingjoker
United Kingdom
52 Posts |
Posted - 25/10/2009 : 13:18:39
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...but I will say quickly to killingjoker that if you're willing to entertain the idea the credit crunch was "man made" and that theres a one world government, then why would chemtrails be so far removed from this plot? What with smart dust and RFID chips small enough to fit several on your fingertips I would think having a method of spraying this would be advisable.
Willing to entertain? erm... it's hsomething that anyone can witness right now. as for contrails... i stand by what i say but hey, debate is good. Travel safe Soul, no malice intended, the things governments get up to anythings possible, that i must admit. I'll keep reading with interest. |
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DoctorStrangeglow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 13:23:34
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Soul
You missed my point concerning the rain dance,I was using it as an example of how man has tried throughout history to control the weather,and will continue to do so.
The native americans used magic,we use science.Although where we may do more harm than good,he would have had no effect either way.
As I have said before I think you have done worthy and detailed research but I think it loses sceintific credibility due to your apparent bias in describing what is occurring.
I also suggested yopu had enough circumstantial evidence of something undesirable affecting your vicinity and to take the dsame to the local authority to pursue a complaint.
You have not answwered whether you have or have not.
If you have not,how is the valuable research undertaken by you going to make a difference or at least get some serious consideration?
You can post as many vids here as you like but it changes nothing,and it's a pity that you are in a position to at least try to get your community to at least considetr the problem,but you apparently choose not to.
If you adopt a more neutral stance you may get more credibility.But espousing deliberate "spraying" is not going to give you that,and the material you have gathered to date will not be taken seriously,a shame.
Oh,and just to confirm..you are still very near Stansted are you not?
Huge traffic in and out day and night,hardly surprising locally you are badly affected.
The next logical step would be to plot the trails directionally and then gather evidence from along the rspective flightpaths,I believe you will find the answers I propose that it is traffic and not toxins top blame for the trailing you have observed and this is eminently scientifically testable.
Don't spoil your effort and research by jumping to the wrong conclusions so prematurely.
"You are all going to die here like rotten cabbages."The Prisoner
"I will not be pushed,filed,stamped,indexed,briefed,debriefed or numbered.My life is my own." The Prisoner |
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Nobody
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 19:30:39
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Hi Killingjoker
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Originally posted by killingjoker
Hi, thanks for the link but that is pretty public knowledge and i just cant subscribe to this idea. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Nobody
Hi Killingjoker
They have done it before.
Why not now?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html
May the fleas of a thousand camels, invest the crotch of anyone who spoils your day, and may their arms be to short to scratch
I understand and until not to long ago would of agreed with you 100%. Then I heard about the German military admiting to spraying their own people:
http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/chemtrails.htm
The Americans have been doing it:
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
It has been done here in the past (see previous post).
Therefore I see no reason not to entertain the idea it may still be happening here. We could all be guinea pigs on a regular basis. We have no idea if we are having biological weapons tested on us or not. It is certainly worth thinking about, when you see a trail in the sky next.
May the fleas of a thousand camels, invest the crotch of anyone who spoils your day, and may their arms be to short to scratch
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 19:49:13
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Hello Doc,
I knew what you were getting at with the rain dance and historically speaking of course you're correct but I think we're a lot more capable now than we were then. Look at everything else we can do.
I'm not biased it's just the easiest terminology to use and be understood. If you can tell me why the contrails (which are referred to as strictly an upper atmosphere phenomenon by most scientists not lower) can start and stop and be present among all types of clouds and open patches of sky too, on both hot and cold days over a period of months then please go ahead. I have really thought about it and thought of the saturation and the conditions that would be needed to have them form but it doesn't fit to any particular pattern so it must be incredibly heavily polluted to do that.
The regular contrails that are formed of mostly water vapour are the ones that disappear as they should within seconds, not the ones that persist over hours. The confusion between the two types is what gets me because these low level trails behave as only those at 30000ft should (or are reported as doing).
I do live under a flight path and yes that means increased air traffic but I still cannot understand as presumably if all planes did this all the time we'd notice them all the time not just sometimes, there are trails so big that you can see them from space, whats up with those?
I know you suggested I reported it but I explained that to 21st sentry. It is difficult to know exactly what to write and yes you're right that I need to study the flightpaths.
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
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dotjoiner
Ireland
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 22:36:18
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Not that he needs support but I am in agreement with the Doc on this topic. The logistics involved in trying to get a 'commercial' spraying operation up there would involve 100's of compliant airport staff, pilots, chemical suppliers, ground security, tankers & drivers, loaders, all to be achieved under the noses of the hyper-sensitive international terrorist watchdogs, just does not make it feasible. As he precisely points out, the sheer tonnage involved makes it unworkable.
While some are only too willing to grant these 'cloak & dagger' goverment departments supreme powers, they are still only made up of fallible human beings. While they are certainly capable of wierd and wonderful plots and will always be 'up to something no-good", don't over-estimate their capabilities. So bring those flights of fearsome fantasy back down to earth and let the wispy trails of suspicion dissipate in their own good, natural time.
So the answer to that perrenial question posed by Walt Disney, "What's up, Doc ?" ----- Up there ? Nothing. |
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skywalker
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 22:49:39
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i disagree dotjoiner,
the pill we all take ie anadin for a headache.
do the makers or packers or delivery drivers take the pill out of the box and analyse it...NO
how do we know that we are really taking anadin ?
the fuel is delivered to the airport and who checks whats in it, the pilot wouldn't have a clue and nor would anyone else.
one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato
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dotjoiner
Ireland
157 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2009 : 23:52:22
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
1020 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 00:09:32
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Hello dotjoiner,
Seeing as this has been bumped up I will point out that I have not said it's the commercial airliners doing this, thats also one of the reasons why I am still confused, I was sitting in the garden yesterday brushing the dog and watched several planes go over at the same height I see trails and nothing was happening when the day before with the same conditions it was.. I would still like that answered by somebody if possible and I am still trying to find other reasons this could be so.
I will also ask Doc if he watched that chemtrails and HAARP documentary that the History channel made. It is very relevent to what has happened here the past summer what with the incredibly dry conditions. Also I was doing more reading and the chemicals needed for the albedo altering wouldn't be too high as it says a percentage change of 1% is all that's neccessary.
It's quite funny actually because I'm really conservative with my opinions considering what I've seen, this one guy on youtube thinks there are stargates and portals and all sorts in them, quality guy 
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
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Bryn ap Gwilym
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 14:21:54
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Plane activity all last night and a few this morning.
May I remind the skeptics who have not read all of my comments that commercial flights are not the norm over Penfro.
Edit: The haze are old trails, and no I didn't have my picture box with me then..
Inscription on - The Washington Monument
Fy iaith, fy ngwlad, fy nghenedl Cymru — Cymru am byth (My language, my land, my nation of Wales — Wales for ever)
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
1020 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 14:36:31
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Thanks for reminding folk Bryn. Looks like the usual stuff that I get here.. What sort of weather patterns do you have over there? Are there any large buildups of weather fronts? Is it fairly coastal? There is a correlation with my other contacts so thought I would ask
I only spot the chemtrails on days with the grey military planes, as with my experiences as few days ago and all summer. It is a possibly that with the geoengineering agenda (the documents about it that I posted I still recommend as an enlightening read to those who haven't seen it) it could be attached to larger planes or commercial flights (the picture in the CFR document shows a very large white commercial looking plane on the same page as the aerosol plans). Could mean nothing but it might also be what's going to happen in the future (or even now as announced technology is often years behind?)
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
1020 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 15:19:42
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Hello everyone,
Got masses of chemtrails today, I'm filming them. If you want the ultimate proof Strangeglow I suggest you drive to suffolk and see for yourself the conditions and height they form! That video is very good btw evoke, thanks for linking to it
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
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Bryn ap Gwilym
1419 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 15:24:26
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Shwmae Soul on Ice..
The weather here has been crap all summer. Loads of rain followed by rain and high winds. But that could be just a crap summer which we get from time to time? Not that I can't remember one this bad.
The geography layout of Penfro?
It would be easier to google map:-
Penfro, Dyfed, Cymru (Pembroke,Dyfed, Wales)West Dyfed = Pembrokeshire
Maidenwells..
Hundleton..
Monkton..
Inscription on - The Washington Monument
Fy iaith, fy ngwlad, fy nghenedl Cymru — Cymru am byth (My language, my land, my nation of Wales — Wales for ever)
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
1020 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 16:17:48
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Hello bryn, yes same here although mines been crap through draught not rain
Theres still a spectacular sight going on today, I got a chembow I will post pics and vids later. The spraying planes are clearly military.
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
Edited by - Soul on Ice on 27/10/2009 16:18:26 |
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Nobody
United Kingdom
1572 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 18:23:55
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Perhaps they use planes that look like this inside:
May the fleas of a thousand camels, invest the crotch of anyone who spoils your day, and may their arms be to short to scratch
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free-ur-mind
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 18:32:22
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| Are those beer kegs if so I'll fly with them |
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skywalker
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 18:37:13
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nobody,
have you got some sort of a link with that photo so i have a clue what we got here,
one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato
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Nobody
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 19:24:58
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Hi Skywalker
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have you got some sort of a link with that photo so i have a clue what we got here
Yes, it was posted in an earlier post of mine:
http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/chemtrails.htm
May the fleas of a thousand camels, invest the crotch of anyone who spoils your day, and may their arms be to short to scratch
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Soul on Ice
United Kingdom
1020 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2009 : 19:30:14
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Hi,
Just posting 1 picture quickly before the football starts, I did upload others if you want to look on imageshack but I will post the rest when I get back
"I'm living idealistically, principle over profit
But realistically good intentions are microscopic to fat pockets" - Ras Kass |
Edited by - Soul on Ice on 27/10/2009 19:30:44 |
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Chemtrail Watch!
