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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06/03/2010 : 20:57:48
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Originally posted by skywalker
am i hmmm lemme see, yup...
hello uni nice to see you, yup been elsewhere being a pain as usuall but i'm back and fourth as work has gone bonkers. do you think gaga has gone to far or is the strings above her head gone to far.
edited to add a big smile and to sort my spelling out..
I keep hitting 'escape' but I'm still here....Maxine
Well, let's just say she's definitely had the 'op' now! 
Dps, bloody hell! Slow down, can't keep up!
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skywalker
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 20:59:33
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blimey its getting deep on here, looks like i need to start polishing up on a few things...sounds interesting stuff though, i'll have to read up on the last post by deadpeoplestuff, under no illusion you do tend to find some interesting topics even if i don't understand them at first...chess player are you ? 
I keep hitting 'escape' but I'm still here....Maxine
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deadpeoplestuff
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:03:55
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AH - stop me if you heard this one, the religion of Saturn (Satan) is EL
Its where the name Isis, Ra, El come together to form IS.RA.EL (see Jordan Maxwell & Kymatica) - pagan worship, astrotheology, as you did say....
I am just gobsmacked. I dont know why? Afterall, they have made up religion, invented world leaders, created and run wars to make money and kill millions - why should pop music be 'beyond' their grasp!
AH, KPB - thanks geezers, some ride! So, maybe Jacko is alive. Moved out to Mars or some other off planet crib!
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:07:11
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 I don't know about Chess but I play a mean dot to dot!
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:09:12
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Originally posted by deadpeoplestuff
AH - why should pop music be 'beyond' their grasp!
OHHHHhhh, its their 'baby' totally! 
Brand Music
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:10:07
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Originally posted by deadpeoplestuff
AH - stop me if you heard this one, the religion of Saturn (Satan) is EL
Its where the name Isis, Ra, El come together to form IS.RA.EL (see Jordan Maxwell & Kymatica) - pagan worship, astrotheology, as you did say....
I am just gobsmacked. I dont know why? Afterall, they have made up religion, invented world leaders, created and run wars to make money and kill millions - why should pop music be 'beyond' their grasp!
AH, KPB - thanks geezers, some ride! So, maybe Jacko is alive. Moved out to Mars or some other off planet crib!
Yes DPS... I'm familiar with the works of Maxwell,,,,
El .... as in the word 'ELders'.
More info forthcoming from me on Mark David Chapman (perhaps?). He showed classic symptoms of mind control. Police at the scene of Lennon's shooting recall Chapman (once having shot Lennon) coldly and calmly taking out a copy of 'Catcher in the Rye' from his bag and reading it. He made no attempt to run away from the scene, but stood there reading until the police turned up to arrest him.
Somewhere on this thread I've posted a picture of McCartney's 1971 solo album 'Ram'. The cover show 'Macca' holding on to the horns of a ram. Symbolic? Perhaps. There are a few more McCartney album covers that I'd like to post. I'll do this over the next few days.
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under no illusion
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deadpeoplestuff
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:27:33
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AH - horns of the ram!! are you kidding me? Baphomet..evil goat boy (nice tits)- yeah, the book, would either BE the trigger, or likely, contain the trigger. (Manchurian Candidate)
Weve name checked Maxwell before, I threw it out there for everyone else...for cross checking (please dont anyone take my word for anything) this is stuff I have read...although I wish I had written some of it! |
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 21:41:41
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"Chapman was (without any doubt) a sleeper mind controlled agent. The mind control software was running on a Cray supercomputer back in 1971. Just imagine how they can program people today (remotely)....
I have also read reports, that this is WHY they have only now made the move to digital tv. Believe it or not, Baird perfected tv, not long after he invented it, with a staggering 1800 lines signal (compared to the 1080 - we currently call HD)"
And of course, we go fully digital in....2012! Subliminal -a -go-go!
What a pefect year to awaken these sleepers, who may find themselves coming around to play cener-stage in some (self-fulfilled?) prophesy.
Eye-masks on!
Sleepers. From a dream to a nightmare.
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 10:53:57
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Anyone remember Eammon Holmes interview David Blaine on GMTV years back? Is Blaine 'sitting in park' mode? What about his palm art?
Eammon asks him, 'what is that?' Blaine replies. 'It protects 'em from death.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeddPlj2D4E
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kevinphillipsbong
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 12:23:21
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Originally posted by Angryhead
By the way.... I've just done a little "research" (although I use that term loosely).
Charles Manson claimed he was driven to murder by two particular songs on The Beatle's 'White Album'. One was 'Piggies', the other was 'Helter Skelter'.
According to my Beatle books, 'Helter Skelter' was completed on 9/9/68. Manson committed the murders on 8/9/69. Is it me, or are both dates a mirror reversal?
By the way, DPS, is this what you are referring to regarding The Beatles and their 'Satanic salute'?
This is a timeline of significant and connected and un-connected Beatles and Paul McCartney events.
Paul McCartney born 18 June 1942
Prince Charles born 14 November 1948
Al Gore — Born: March 31, 1948
August 29, 1966: The Beatles give their last live concert, in San Francisco, California.
A common story for the alleged death is that on Wednesday, 9 November 1966 at 5 am, McCartney, while working on the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album, stormed out of a recording session after an argument with the other Beatles and rode off in his Austin-Healey which he subsequently crashed into a lamp post, and died.
July 20, 1967: Much to Paul's surprise, his girlfriend, Jane Asher announces that their relationship is over.
August 22, 1967: Cynthia Lennon files for divorce from John on the grounds of his adultery with Yoko Ono.
August 23, 1967: Ringo quits the Beatles and walks out during a recording session for "The White Album".
Recording sessions for the White Album started with the song Revolution on May 30, 1968, and concluded with take three of Julia on October 13, 1968
The Beatles was released in the UK on November 22, 1968 as Apple PMC 7067-8 (mono) and PCS 7067-8 (stereo) and in the US on November 25, 1968 in stereo as Apple SWBO 101. The White Album was not released in mono in the US.
March 12, 1969: Paul marries photographer Linda Louise Eastman, a 25 year old divorcee with a six year old daughter. Despite rumours to the contrary, she is not related to the Eastmans of Eastman-Kodak fame.
JULY 20 1969 MOON LANDING
Hinman was arrested on 6 August. Two days later Manson told the Family that Helter Skelter was to begin. The following night, 9 August, three members murdered Sharon Tate and four others. One of the killers, Susan Atkins, wrote "Pig" on the front door of the murder scene, 10050 Cielo Drive, in Tate's blood.
http://www.beatlesbible.com/features/charles-manson/
17 september 1969 rumour of Paul's death in 66 started
Mid-September, 1969: John decides to leave the Beatles, but he does not announce it publicly because of contract negotiations taking place with EMI. George and Ringo also have quit the band for short spells, returning soon after.
Though work on Abbey Road began in April 1969, making it the final album recorded by the band, Let It Be was the last album released before the Beatles' dissolution in 1970. Abbey Road was released on 26 September 1969 in the United Kingdom, and 1 October 1969 in the United States.
November 25, 1969: John returns his MBE award.
April 10, 1970: Paul announces publicly that he has left the group and says that they will never work together again.
June 11, 2002: Paul marries former model, Heather Mills.
May 2006: Paul McCartney and his wife Heather Mills McCartney agreed to separate. The couple, who had been married for four years, said they had "with sadness" agreed to split after finding it "increasingly difficult" to maintain a normal relationship in the glare of the public eye.
Hi AH
Above is the timeline i posted on the music thread previously to do with Beatles related events. The sequence of events explains Manson's knowledge of Piggies and Helter Skelter but not the 1234567 scribe on the wall, which is part of a well known nursery ryhme which is also quoted on the McCartney composed track on Abbey Road "You Never Give Me Your Money" recorded between April and August 1969. It appears that the murders and Helter Skelter connection were Mansons childish ways of getting back at Terry Melcher, The Beach Boys, Roman Polanski and The Beatles for not taking him or his music seriously.
Regards
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 13:32:55
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Thank you Kevin, for taking time to update me (I should have just read the music thread -& I still will!)
Kevin, did you see this & what do you make of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8
Whatever 'it' is, she keeps 'the truth locked in a box' & someone cares for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJWiZ4V8mR0&feature=related
Kinda like Diana's box that Burrel kept for Diana?. . . Who are 'the dark forces' Queenie spoke of?
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kevinphillipsbong
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 15:49:58
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Originally posted by under no illusion
Thank you Kevin, for taking time to update me (I should have just read the music thread -& I still will!)
Kevin, did you see this & what do you make of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8
Whatever 'it' is, she keeps 'the truth locked in a box' & someone cares for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJWiZ4V8mR0&feature=related
Kinda like Diana's box that Burrel kept for Diana?. . . Who are 'the dark forces' Queenie spoke of?
You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter!
Hi Uni
I have commented on that Heather Mills video elsewhere, i will draft it over.
FROM 17/02/10
Adding to the above discussion on Sir Paul McCartney...
HEATHER MILLS
What did she find out about Paul that was so shocking? Did he have "i am a phoney, or i am the devil or i am pure evil TATTOED on his backside?
She said "i am just protecting myself" was she defending herself because of the truth of her shady past which Paul had just found out about? Should he have done his homework before marrying her? Personally, i don't believe everything i read in the papers about Heather Mills i don't know what is true or not!
"She Said, i know what it's like to be dead, i know what it is to be sad" "and you're making me feel like i've never been born"
Furthermore...17/02/10
I want to add, in defence of Paul, there is no dead body or any other witness or evidence to suggest he died. On the contrary a DNA test would solve the doubt very quick, so, Bill; you better keep out of trouble mate because if you have a DNA test and it doesn't fit i wouldn't like to be in your shoes(mr bigfoot).
Kevin
Personally, i think it's very funny that they sometimes referred to Paul as Beatle Bill which shows the hilariously inventive Scouse humour.
I am sure Paul found her hypnotically attractive as i do but it is possible she watched that whole series of Rotten Apple and was gobzmacked. I have stopped watching that series because finding out or taking in something like that can do your head in; and i think that is the idea behind it. To shatter the illusion of The Beatles being four Northern lads who wanted to change the world through music a band who were becoming more popular than Christianity itself and they saw that as dangerous.
Regards
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 16:31:35
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Hi Kevin,
I feel an effort was made to demonise her in the press & I really couldn't care less about celebrities private lives. (while listening to one of the rotten apple clips.. . it sounds as if there is a covert recording of two individuals stating McCartney did know of her past before he married her.')
Why all the drama with a hidden 'box of truth'?
It may have nothing to do with a potential impostor, but it intrigues me nevertheless.
'Worse than infidelity'??
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kevinphillipsbong
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 16:47:17
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Originally posted by under no illusion
Hi Kevin,
I feel an effort was made to demonise her in the press & I really couldn't care less about celebrities private lives. (while listening to one of the rotten apple clips.. . it sounds as if there is a covert recording of two individuals stating McCartney did know of her past before he married her.')
Why all the drama with a hidden 'box of truth'?
It may have nothing to do with a potential impostor, but it intrigues me nevertheless.
'Worse than infidelity'??
You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter!
Hi Uni
I have just watched that "box of truth" video.
She is very convincing. What does she mean when she says she's trying to protect Paul and my daughter? It sounds like she's milking it and keeping it a mystery to sell another book to the sheeple. It's all Hollywood nonsense, a box of truth, Lord Of The Rings, Harry Potter! The jury is out on this. If i knew the real truth i could then make my mind up easily.
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under no illusion
United Kingdom
2038 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2010 : 17:09:57
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Hi Kevin,
The verdict is out for me. She has been legally gagged, that usually means there is something to hide . . .? Someone needs to put a gag on Jordon!
You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter! |
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
1983 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2010 : 17:28:52
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Originally posted by deadpeoplestuff
AH - horns of the ram!! are you kidding me? Baphomet..evil goat boy (nice tits)- yeah, the book, would either BE the trigger, or likely, contain the trigger. (Manchurian Candidate)
Weve name checked Maxwell before, I threw it out there for everyone else...for cross checking (please dont anyone take my word for anything) this is stuff I have read...although I wish I had written some of it!
Hi DPS ...
Mark David Chapman and his link to the book 'The Catcher in the Rye' is absolutely central to the days (in fact, years) leading up to Lennon's death.
In 1968/69, the 14-year old Chapman - according to mainstream sources and various Lennon biographies - was a drug-taking Beatles fan. At the age of 16, he ditched drugs and became a born-again Christian. He began work as a YMCA summer camp counselor; he was very popular with the children, who nicknamed him "Nemo". He won an award for Outstanding Counselor and was made assistant director.
A friend recommended 'The Catcher in the Rye' to Chapman, and the story eventually took on great personal significance for him, to the extent that he reportedly wished to model his life after its protagonist, Holden Caulfield.
Chapman continued working for the YMCA with Vietnamese refugees at a resettlement camp in Arkansas, after a brief visit to Lebanon for the same work. He was named an area coordinator and a key aide to the program director, David Moore, who later said Chapman cared deeply for the children and worked hard. Chapman accompanied Moore to meetings with government officials, and President Gerald Ford shook his hand.
Chapman joined his girlfriend, Jessica Blankenship, as a student at Covenant College (an evangelical Presbyterian college that emphasizes the liberal arts) in Georgia. However, Chapman fell behind in his studies and became obsessed with guilt over having an affair. He started having suicidal thoughts and feeling like a failure. He dropped out of Covenant College, and his girlfriend broke off their relationship. He returned to work at the resettlement camp, but left after an argument. Chapman then took a job as a security guard, eventually taking a week-long course that qualified him to be an armed guard. He made another attempt to go to college but dropped out again. In 1977 he decided to go to Hawaii and then kill himself. He attempted suicide via carbon monoxide asphyxiation. He connected a vacuum cleaner hose to his car exhaust pipe and led it inside the car, thus exposing himself to the car's exhaust, but the hose melted in the exhaust pipe and the attempt failed. He was discovered and brought to a local mental health clinic. A psychiatrist admitted him to hospital for clinical depression. Upon his release, the hospital hired him part-time. He found a place to live with a Presbyterian minister.
In 1978, Chapman went on a six-week trip around the world, inspired partly by the film Around the World in Eighty Days. He began a relationship with his travel agent, a Japanese-American woman named Gloria Abe. They married in 1979. He eventually took a job as a night security guard and began drinking heavily.
It should be pointed out that Chapman has stated in interviews in the last decade that as a child he had an obsession with "little people". One of his favourite games was to create a make-believe world from little toy men that he would control like a God-figure. He also revealed that his inner mind was in constant conflict with this obsession; although he wanted to see himself as 'the big man' (i.e. in control, all powerful), he sometimes regarded himself - to his horror - as being more like the powerless "little people".
Chapman has also revealed that this obsession with the "little people" came back into his consciouness later in his adult life.
Interestingly, Chapman has also recounted many nights where he would strip himself naked and dance uncontrollably.
Chapman developed a series of obsessions during the late-70s, including artwork, 'The Catcher in the Rye' and music, and started hearing voices. In September 1980, he wrote a letter to a friend, Lynda Irish, in which he stated, "I'm going nuts", and signed it "The Catcher in the Rye". Chapman's initial love of The Beatles and Lennon also began to deteriorate. The ex-Beatle at this stage in his life was in self-imposed 'retirement'. Chapman was shocked to discover that as far as he was concerned, Lennon - far from being a radical peacenik and a man believing the message of a Utopian/material-free world in his song 'Imagine' - was in fact an extremely wealthy property owner. He found it difficult to come to terms with what he regarded a contradictory existence and began to refer to Lennon with the 'Catcher in the Rye-esque' term, "phoney".
Chapman went to New York in October 1980 planning to kill Lennon. He returned to New York in November but, after going to the cinema and being inspired by the film 'Ordinary People', he returned to Hawaii, telling his wife he had been obsessed with killing Lennon but had snapped out of it. He made an appointment to see a clinical psychologist but instead, on December 6, flew back to New York. Incidentally, before leaving for New York the second and final time, he clocked-off from his work-shift as a security guard by signing his name into the work register. However, before leaving, he suddenly decided to scrub his name out replaced it with another name... that being: "John Lennon".
His intention during his second trip to New York was not only to kill Lennon, but re-enact certain pieces from 'The Catcher in the Rye' as experienced by the central character Holden Caulfield. Whilst in New York, Chapman visited certain places that Caulfield visited in the book and stayed at the same hotels. On the morning of December 8, 1980, he departed from the Sheraton Hotel, leaving personal items in his hotel room for police to find. Chapman bought a copy of The 'Catcher in the Rye' from a New York book store, in which he wrote "This is my statement" and signed it "Holden Caulfield". He then spent most of the day near the entrance to The Dakota apartment building where Lennon and Yoko Ono lived, talking to other fans and the doorman. At one point, a distracted Chapman missed seeing Lennon step out of a cab and enter the Dakota building on the morning of December 8. Late in the morning, Chapman met Lennon's housekeeper, who had just taken their five-year-old son Sean for a walk. Chapman conversed with the housekeeper and shook hands with the boy as they departed.
Around 5:00 p.m., Lennon and Ono left The Dakota for a recording session. As they walked towards their limousine on the curb, Chapman shook hands with Lennon and held out a copy of Lennon's new album, 'Double Fantasy', for him to sign. Photographer Paul Goresh was present when Lennon signed Chapman's album and took a photo of the event.
Chapman reported that, "At that point my big part (this is his reference to the "little people") won and I wanted to go back to my hotel, but I couldn't. I waited until he came back. He knew where the ducks went in winter, and I needed to know this" (a reference to The Catcher in the Rye because it is what Holden wonders in almost all the story).
Around 10:49 p.m., the Lennons' limousine returned to the Dakota. Lennon and Ono passed by Chapman and walked toward the archway entrance of the building's courtyard. From the street, Chapman turned and fired five hollow point bullets from a Charter Arms .38 revolver that he had purchased in Hawaii.
Chapman remained at the scene, took out his copy of 'The Catcher in the Rye' and read it until the police arrived. Chapman was arrested without incident. In his statement to police three hours later, Chapman stated, "I’m sure the large part of me is Holden Caulfield, who is the main person in the book. The small part of me must be the Devil."
Chapman was charged with second degree murder. He was taken to Hospital for psychiatric examination. The conclusion was that, while delusional, he was competent to stand a trial. Nine psychiatrists/clinical psychologists were prepared to testify at his trial – six of the clinical opinion that he was psychotic and three of the clinical opinion that his delusions fell short of the necessary criteria for psychosis.
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kevinphillipsbong
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 17:30:10
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Originally posted by under no illusion
Hi Kevin,
The verdict is out for me. She has been legally gagged, that usually means there is something to hide . . .? Someone needs to put a gag on Jordon!
You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter!
Hi Uni
I am inclined to agree with you. She cleared it with lawyers before appearing on that programme. And effectively she has saved herself, as, if anything happens to her the truth will be out and they don't want that!
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kevinphillipsbong
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 18:01:42
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Hi AH
Thanks for the Mark Chapman story. I remember reading this at the time and it makes you believe that he was capable of doing it. I am sure DPS will say it's classic cia; right to the last detail. It makes you wonder why they don't let him out? As long as 87% of the world's population believe the official story it doesn't matter much what we think.
It is funny how that photographer happened to be there when Chapman had the LP autographed?!! If he was an official photographer he could have got better shots at the studio!
Regards
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Angryhead
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 18:41:48
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Originally posted by kevinphillipsbong
Hi AH
Thanks for the Mark Chapman story. I remember reading this at the time and it makes you believe that he was capable of doing it. I am sure DPS will say it's classic cia; right to the last detail. It makes you wonder why they don't let him out? As long as 87% of the world's population believe the official story it doesn't matter much what we think.
It is funny how that photographer happened to be there when Chapman had the LP autographed?!! If he was an official photographer he could have got better shots at the studio!
Regards
Kevin
Hi Kev...
I have a book which I bought in the mid-80s about Mark Chapman and that he was taken in by the CIA to murder Lennon. I'm not sure whether this book is in circulation any more. I'd like to add some peices from that book at some stage when I have more time....
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